Benjamin Fulford
Weekly Geopolitical News and Analysis100607: The Bilderbergers have failed and are now trying to activate plan B
The participants at the just ended Bilderberger meeting in Spain are scared they are going to be identified and eventually hunted down, according to an inside source at the meeting. For now Clinton, Bush, Baker and the other Bilderberg Nazi’s are trying to cut a deal with China that will allow them access to large amounts of funds which they plan to hide and use to re-assert their power after the current political storm blows over, the source says. Unfortunately for them, this is one storm that is not going to blow over to and allow them to resume their plans for world fascist dictatorship.
In any case, we are headed for very dangerous times as the end game approaches. The White Dragon Society has been asked by the Pentagon not to take any action for now because “something big is about to happen”.
Bilderberg Agenda Revealed: Globalists In Crisis, Supportive Of Attack On Iran
Global government, carbon tax agenda failing, but majority of elitists in favor of air strikes on Iran
Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Saturday, June 5, 2010The 2010 Bilderberg agenda has been revealed by veteran Bilderberg sleuth Jim Tucker and it paints a picture of crisis for the globalists, who are furious at the increased exposure their gatherings have received in recent years, as well as being dismayed at their failure to rescue both the euro and the failing carbon tax agenda, but more alarmingly according to Tucker, the majority of Bilderberg members are now in favor of military air strikes on Iran.
American Free Press muckraker Tucker has proven routinely accurate with the information he obtains from sources inside Bilderberg, which makes this year’s revelations all the more intriguing.
According to Tucker, Bilderberg luminaries are dismayed at the fact that “many important people” are not attending this year because, due to increasing exposure, invitees are “getting in trouble at home” and constituents are embarrassing them by asking irate questions such as “what are you doing with these monsters?”
“All these people are exposing us, we get all this mail and calls,” Tucker paraphrased Bilderberg members as complaining.
This dovetails with the revelations overheard by Guardian journalist Charlie Skelton at the Hotel Dolce Sitges before the meeting began when he heard conference organizers lamenting the fact that protest numbers are growing at Bilderberg events each year and that they represent a “threat” to Bilderberg’s agenda.
In addition, prominent Bilderberg Zbigniew Brzezinski, the man who warned recently that a “global political awakening” was threatening to derail the move towards global government, was expected to be in attendance at this year’s meeting.
Tucker named his source as an international financial consultant who personally knows Bilderberg members and has done business with them for the past 20 years.
Turning to Iran, Tucker said that many Bilderberg members, including Brzezinski, were in favor of U.S. air strikes on Iran and were “leaning towards war,” although 100 per cent of members were not supportive of an attack.
“Some of them in Europe are saying no we shouldn’t do it but most of them are in favor of American air strikes on Iran,” said Tucker, adding, “They’re tilting heavily towards green lighting a U.S. attack on Iran.”
An attack on Iran would provide a welcome distraction to the globalists’ failings in other areas and would also allow them to war profiteer, pointed out Tucker.
On the subject of the euro, Tucker said that the Bilderberg elitists were determined to save the single currency even as it collapsed to a new 4-year-low at $1.19 against the dollar yesterday afternoon. As we have highlighted, the globalists are panicking at the euro’s fall and the ECB keeps intervening to try and hasten its decline. If the euro were to cease to exist, it would all but derail the ultimate agenda for a global currency because the perceived stability of using one currency for a plethora of nations would be discredited.
“The euro is important because it’s part of their world government program, they’re very downbeat because they’ve fallen so far behind,” said Tucker, explaining that the globalists had planned by now to have the European Union, the American Union and the Asia-Pacific Union already up and running.
With regard to the climate change agenda, on which subject Microsoft founder Bill Gates was personally invited to the conference to discuss, Tucker said that Bilderberg were still intent on pushing it in pursuit of a carbon tax despite the fact that the whole move was massively eviscerated in the aftermath of the Climategate scandal.
Tucker quoted one Bilderberg member as all but admitting defeat on the mission to hoodwink the public into paying taxes in the name of fighting global warming.
“On climate change, we’re about whipped,” said one of the elitists in attendance.
However, Tucker said that the globalists were working on putting out more climate change propaganda “even as we speak”.
On the issue of the BP oil spill, the Bilderbergers made it clear that President Obama’s apparent “outrage” at BP and his threat of criminal procedures against the company was an little more than an act and that British Petroleum, who have been represented at Bilderberg meetings in the past by people like Peter Sutherland, former non-executive chairman of BP, were still “one of our brothers,” according to the elitists.
The future of oil prices are always an important topic to Bilderberg and the leaks Tucker and other investigators relayed from previous Bilderberg meetings were proven accurate when oil prices hit $150 a barrel in 2008, which was precisely what Bilderberg had called for.
“Gas prices are going to be nice and cheap this summer,” said Tucker, adding that they would start to rise again to the $4 a gallon level around November when artificial scarcity is created.
On the march towards anti-democratic global government, Bilderberg members stated that America must be “Europeanized” and turned into a giant socialist welfare state with health rationing and higher income taxes.
Tucker said hat Bilderberg were intent on mandating a bank tax paid directly to the IMF to fund global governance and a global treasury department under the IMF, and that this would then merely be passed on to the consumer.
In summary, Tucker said that this year’s conference was the most downbeat and pessimistic Bilderberg meeting in history, with massive exposure of their agenda acting as a roadblock to the ultimate goal of an authoritarian world government run by the elite, for the elite.
Watch the interview with Tucker below.
Bilderberg Group meets to control world: Luke Rudkowski on Russia Today
Russia Today
June 5, 2010An organization holding a meeting in Spain features some of the world’s most influential politicians, bankers and even military chiefs. However, you will not know what they’re up to because the Bilderberg Group gets together under a veil of secrecy. Critics like We Are Change’s Luke Rudkowski say it’s making world changing decisions behind the world’s back.
Bilderberg 2010:
Background: What Is The Bilderberg Group?
The following articles provide some important information on the elite agenda of the Bilderberg Group and provide historical evidence outlining the Kingmaker power the group exercises:
Leaked Agenda: Bilderberg Group Plans Economic Depression
Leaked 1955 Bilderberg Docs Outline Plan For Single European Currency
Bilderberg Appointee Van Rompuy Is First EU President
Bilderberg 2010 News Feed
This is a master page with links to articles, videos, pictures and coverage of the secretive Bilderberg meeting, taking place over the 3-6 June 2010 in Sitges Spain.
Bilderberg 2010: Final List of Participants
Bilderberg Meetings
June 6, 2010
Sitges, Spain 3-6 June 2010
Honorary Chairman
BEL Davignon, Etienne Vice Chairman, Suez-Tractebel DEU Ackermann, Josef Chairman of the Management Board and the Group Executive Committee, Deutsche Bank AG GBR Agius, Marcus Chairman, Barclays Bank PLC ESP Alierta, César Chairman and CEO, Telefónica INT Almunia, Joaquín Commissioner, European Commission USA Altman, Roger C. Chairman, Evercore Partners Inc. USA Arrison, Sonia Author and policy analyst SWE Bäckström, Urban Director General, Confederation of Swedish Enterprise PRT Balsemão, Francisco Pinto Chairman and CEO, IMPRESA, S.G.P.S.; Former Prime Minister ITA Bernabè, Franco CEO, Telecom Italia S.p.A. SWE Bildt, Carl Minister of Foreign Affairs FIN Blåfield, Antti Senior Editorial Writer, Helsingin Sanomat ESP Botín, Ana P. Executive Chairman, Banesto NOR Brandtzæg, Svein Richard CEO, Norsk Hydro ASA AUT Bronner, Oscar Publisher and Editor, Der Standard TUR Çakir, Ruşen Journalist CAN Campbell, Gordon Premier of British Columbia ESP Carvajal Urquijo, Jaime Managing Director, Advent International FRA Castries, Henri de Chairman of the Management Board and CEO, AXA ESP Cebrián, Juan Luis CEO, PRISA ESP Cisneros, Gustavo A. Chairman and CEO, Cisneros Group of Companies CAN Clark, W. Edmund President and CEO, TD Bank Financial Group USA Collins, Timothy C. Senior Managing Director and CEO, Ripplewood Holdings, LLC ITA Conti, Fulvio CEO and General Manager, Enel SpA GRC David, George A. Chairman, Coca-Cola H.B.C. S.A. DNK Eldrup, Anders CEO, DONG Energy ITA Elkann, John Chairman, Fiat S.p.A. DEU Enders, Thomas CEO, Airbus SAS ESP Entrecanales, José M. Chairman, Acciona DNK Federspiel, Ulrik Vice President Global Affairs, Haldor Topsøe A/S USA Feldstein, Martin S. George F. Baker Professor of Economics, Harvard University USA Ferguson, Niall Laurence A. Tisch Professor of History, Harvard University AUT Fischer, Heinz Federal President IRL Gallagher, Paul Attorney General USA Gates, William H. Co-chair, Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation and Chairman, Microsoft Corporation USA Gordon, Philip H. Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs USA Graham, Donald E. Chairman and CEO, The Washington Post Company INT Gucht, Karel de Commissioner, European Commission TUR Gürel, Z. Damla Special Adviser to the President on EU Affairs NLD Halberstadt, Victor Professor of Economics, Leiden University; Former Honorary Secretary General of Bilderberg Meetings USA Holbrooke, Richard C. Special Representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan NLD Hommen, Jan H.M. Chairman, ING Group USA Hormats, Robert D. Under Secretary for Economic, Energy and Agricultural Affairs BEL Huyghebaert, Jan Chairman of the Board of Directors, KBC Group USA Johnson, James A. Vice Chairman, Perseus, LLC FIN Katainen, Jyrki Minister of Finance USA Keane, John M. Senior Partner, SCP Partners GBR Kerr, John Member, House of Lords; Deputy Chairman, Royal Dutch Shell plc. USA Kissinger, Henry A. Chairman, Kissinger Associates, Inc. USA Kleinfeld, Klaus Chairman and CEO, Alcoa TUR Koç, Mustafa V. Chairman, Koç Holding A.Ş. USA Kravis, Henry R. Founding Partner, Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co. USA Kravis, Marie-Josée Senior Fellow, Hudson Institute, Inc. INT Kroes, Neelie Commissioner, European Commission USA Lander, Eric S. President and Director, Broad Institute of Harvard and MIT FRA Lauvergeon, Anne Chairman of the Executive Board, AREVA ESP León Gross, Bernardino Secretary General, Office of the Prime Minister DEU Löscher, Peter Chairman of the Board of Management, Siemens AG NOR Magnus, Birger Chairman, Storebrand ASA CAN Mansbridge, Peter Chief Correspondent, Canadian Broadcasting Corporation USA Mathews, Jessica T. President, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace CAN McKenna, Frank Deputy Chair, TD Bank Financial Group GBR Micklethwait, John Editor-in-Chief, The Economist FRA Montbrial, Thierry de President, French Institute for International Relations ITA Monti, Mario President, Universita Commerciale Luigi Bocconi INT Moyo, Dambisa F. Economist and Author USA Mundie, Craig J. Chief Research and Strategy Officer, Microsoft Corporation NOR Myklebust, Egil Former Chairman of the Board of Directors SAS, Norsk Hydro ASA USA Naím, Moisés Editor-in-Chief, Foreign Policy NLD Netherlands, H.M. the Queen of the ESP Nin Génova, Juan María President and CEO, La Caixa DNK Nyrup Rasmussen, Poul Former Prime Minister GBR Oldham, John National Clinical Lead for Quality and Productivity FIN Ollila, Jorma Chairman, Royal Dutch Shell plc USA Orszag, Peter R. Director, Office of Management and Budget TUR Özilhan, Tuncay Chairman, Anadolu Group ITA Padoa-Schioppa, Tommaso Former Minister of Finance; President of Notre Europe GRC Papaconstantinou, George Minister of Finance USA Parker, Sean Managing Partner, Founders Fund USA Pearl, Frank H. Chairman and CEO, Perseus, LLC USA Perle, Richard N. Resident Fellow, American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research ESP Polanco, Ignacio Chairman, Grupo PRISA CAN Prichard, J. Robert S. President and CEO, Metrolinx FRA Ramanantsoa, Bernard Dean, HEC Paris Group PRT Rangel, Paulo Member, European Parliament CAN Reisman, Heather M. Chair and CEO, Indigo Books & Music Inc. SWE Renström, Lars President and CEO, Alfa Laval NLD Rinnooy Kan, Alexander H.G. Chairman, Social and Economic Council of the Netherlands (SER) ITA Rocca, Gianfelice Chairman, Techint ESP Rodriguez Inciarte, Matías Executive Vice Chairman, Grupo Santander USA Rose, Charlie Producer, Rose Communications USA Rubin, Robert E. Co-Chairman, Council on Foreign Relations; Former Secretary of the Treasury TUR Sabanci Dinçer, Suzan Chairman, Akbank ITA Scaroni, Paolo CEO, Eni S.p.A. USA Schmidt, Eric CEO and Chairman of the Board, Google AUT Scholten, Rudolf Member of the Board of Executive Directors, Oesterreichische Kontrollbank AG DEU Scholz, Olaf Vice Chairman, SPD INT Sheeran, Josette Executive Director, United Nations World Food Programme INT Solana Madariaga, Javier Former Secretary General, Council of the European Union ESP Spain, H.M. the Queen of USA Steinberg, James B. Deputy Secretary of State INT Stigson, Björn President, World Business Council for Sustainable Development USA Summers, Lawrence H. Director, National Economic Council IRL Sutherland, Peter D. Chairman, Goldman Sachs International GBR Taylor, J. Martin Chairman, Syngenta International AG PRT Teixeira dos Santos, Fernando Minister of State and Finance USA Thiel, Peter A. President, Clarium Capital Management, LLC GRC Tsoukalis, Loukas President, ELIAMEP INT Tumpel-Gugerell, Gertrude Member of the Executive Board, European Central Bank USA Varney, Christine A. Assistant Attorney General for Antitrust CHE Vasella, Daniel L. Chairman, Novartis AG USA Volcker, Paul A. Chairman, Economic Recovery Advisory Board CHE Voser, Peter CEO, Royal Dutch Shell plc FIN Wahlroos, Björn Chairman, Sampo plc CHE Waldvogel, Francis A. Chairman, Novartis Venture Fund SWE Wallenberg, Jacob Chairman, Investor AB NLD Wellink, Nout President, De Nederlandsche Bank USA West, F.J. Bing Author GBR Williams, Shirley Member, House of Lords USA Wolfensohn, James D. Chairman, Wolfensohn & Company, LLC ESP Zapatero, José Luis Rodríguez Prime Minister DEU Zetsche, Dieter Chairman, Daimler AG INT Zoellick, Robert B. President, The World Bank Group Rapporteurs
GBR Bredow, Vendeline von Business Correspondent, The Economist GBR Wooldridge, Adrian D. Business Correspondent, The Economist
Former Nato Secretary-General Admits Bilderberg Sets Global Policy
Former NATO Secretary-General and Bilderberg member Willy Claes has confounded claims by debunkers that the secret organization which met in Sitges Spain over the last few days does not set policy, admitting during a Belgian radio interview that Bilderberg attendees are mandated to implement decisions that are formulated during the annual conference of power brokers.
Paul Joseph Watson
Prisonplanet.com
Monday, June 7, 2010In a radio interview reported on by the Belgian news website www.zonnewind.be, Claes told host Koen Fillet that Bilderberg does indeed decide policy for the coming year.
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Featured video & interviews
Paul Dorneanu On The Alex Jones Show: Latest Photos of Globalists at Bilderberg 2010 Meeting
The Alex Jones Channel
June 6, 2010Romanian Bilderberg researcher Paul Dorneanu shares his insight and photographs from the 2010 Bilderberg meeting.
Charlie Skelton Reports Bilderberg Scared of Global Awakening
The Alex Jones Channel
June 5, 2010British journalist for the Evening Standard and The Guardian, Charlie Skelton, who is covering the Bilderberg confab in Spain joins Alex Jones for the latest.
Euro the focus of secret Bilderberg meeting: Charlie Skelton On Russia Today
Russia Today, June 5, 2010
Jim Tucker Reports Nwo’s Next Phase of Operation from Bilderberg 2010
The Alex Jones Channel
June 5, 2010Long time Bilderberg sleuth Jim Tucker joins Alex for the latest updates from the conference.
Russia Today, June 5, 2010 – Luke Rudkowski interview on Russia Today
Russia Today, June 4, 2010 – World Govt Non-Elect: Engdahl on Bilderberg
Russia Today, June 4, 2010 – Charlie Skelton on Russia Today
Russia Today, June 4, 2010 – Conspiracy of Silence: Who are the Bilderberg Group?
Russia Today, June 4, 2010 – Global Covert Govt Inc.: Bilderberg gather near Barcelona
Prisonplanet.com, June 2, 2010 – The Alex Jones Show – June 2nd With Charlie Skelton
Russia Today Jun 2, 2010 – NWO: ‘Bilderberg controls the world’ — Alex Jones
On Site Coverage
Footage Of Delegates Arriving
Youtube,
June 6, 2010
Bilderberg 2010: Delegate Flashes Victory Sign
Spanish News Video Of Delegates Arriving
Bilderberg 2010: Video Of Protests
Prisonplanet.com
June 6, 2010Large numbers of protesters have gathered outside Hotel Dolce in Sitges, Spain, where the annual meeting of Bilderberg Group is taking place, as well as in the Streets of Barcelona.
Bilderberg 2010: Photographs
Video: Intense Security At Bilderberg 2010
Activists Give Warm Welcome To Bilderberg 2010
Charlie Skelton’s London Guardian Bilderberg Blog:
June 5: Bilderberg 2010: Between the sword and the wall
June 4: Bilderberg 2010: Why the protesters are your very best friends
June 3: Bilderberg 2010: The security lockdown begins
June 2: Bilderberg 2010: Plutocracy With Palm Trees
Mainstream Media Coverge
Bilderberg’s Chatham House Rules have, in the past, obsecured the meetings from media scrutiny. In recent years, some press coverage has become more common. Here is a list of articles covering the 2010 meeting.
Bloomberg, June 7, 2010 – Fed Denies Bernanke Attended Bilderberg
Euro Weekly News, June 7, 2010 – Bilderberg: the true power behind thrones and governments
AFP, June 5, 2010 – Spanish PM to address Bilderberg Group
London Telegraph, June 5, 2010 – The Bilderberg Group fact and fantasy
Int. Business Times, June 5, 2010 – Secretive Bilderberg meeting taking place in Spain
DPA, June 4, 2010 – Secretive Bilderberg Club brings decision-makers to talks in Spain
London Independent, June 4, 2010 – What are the Bilderberg Group really doing in Spain?
London Times, June 3, 2010 – Secretive Bilderberg Club Ready for Protests
Jim Tucker
American Free Press
June 11, 2010Bilderberg boys were so depressed as they gathered at the Dolce luxury hotel in Sitges, Spain June 3 that “many important people are not showing up,” because “they always find out and we get into trouble at home,” said one, echoing the sentiments of all.
Still, they hope to inflict much evil on the world. An unprecedented but fruitless effort to hide the Bilderberg meeting this year was conducting the Group of 20 (G-20) economic meeting in Busan, South Korea.
Always before, like clockwork, the Bilderberg group would meet on the same continent as the G-20: Europe or North America. This, too, proved futile. Bilderberg was greeted with a hostile press and public.
Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner was conspicuous at G-20. The meeting ended Saturday. But, with a 12-hour time difference, Korea’s Saturday ended in plenty of time for Geithner to join his Bilderberg buddies.
Bilderberg had bad news out of the G-20 meeting. Not only was G-20 pessimistic about survival of the euro, it gave up on establishing a global bank tax following complaints from Canada, Australia, Brazil and India. Both the international currency and international bank tax are crucial to Bilderberg’s plan to establish a world “Treasury Department.”
The London Times had an advance story headlined “Secretive Bilderberg Club Ready for Protests.” It said David Rockefeller and colleagues would be graced with the presence of Spanish Prime Minister Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, who will give a welcoming address. It is routine for the head of state of the host country—except in the U.S.—to give a 30-minute welcoming address, then be required to leave. The smallest, purely local newspaper is invited to “cover” this event, but no questions.
The “story,” designed to reassure locals that nothing ominous is taking place behind the armada of armed guards, is approved by Bilderberg before publication.
Also attending from Spain were Foreign Minister Miguel Angel Moratinos and former Economy Minister Pedro Solbes.
The Guardian of London carried a commentary by Charlie Skelton, who humorously observed that Spain was hoping the arrival of Bilderberg will not have the same effect suffered by the last country to host Bilderberg. In 2009, Bilderberg met in Greece, and within a year the country was bankrupt and people were rioting in the streets.
BOMB IRAN
Sadly, Bilderberg remains committed to a U.S. attack on Iran on Israel’s behalf. But the cruel and clumsy attack on a flotilla bringing food and medicine to the besieged Palestinians in the Gaza Strip backfired, too (for more on this and subsequent attacks, see page 4). World outrage, including from many Jews, left Bilderberg gasping.
There is division within Bilderberg; most Americans want war, but some Europeans oppose air strikes. Many argue that Iran is not making nuclear weapons, while, they point out, Israel has had nuclear weapons since 1962. This was made public by the late Bilderberg luminary, George Ball, who was No. 2 man in the State Department under both presidents John Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson.
“Iran is building nuclear weapons, which poses a threat, not only to Israel, but also to all of Europe and, potentially, to the United States,” said an American, but not to universal agreement.
“We’re not sure of that,” a European countered. “And you have a lot more dead boys than we do.”
“Israel may have to conduct a preemptive strike to protect itself from a nuclear Iran,” said an American, believed by the inside source to be Keith Alexander, director of the National Security Agency, but not positively identified.
“The term ‘preemptive strike’ was invented by Israel as a synonym for waging aggressive war in 1968,” the European countered. “Israel bombed Egypt in a surprise attack, wiping out the Egyptian air force on the ground. Israel was under no threat at all.”
The American walked away, shaking his head with a “where have I failed?” look.
Charlie Skelton
London Guardian
June 11, 2010The word “Bilderberg” attracts mud like lazy thought processes attract idiots. For decades now, one mention of “Bilderberg” has been enough to brand you a nut. An ultra-left/right/whoknowswhat-wing paranoid nut with some kind of existential dysmorphia and a coathanger wrapped round your head so you can pick up drivetime radio on Neptune.
These days, it’s changed. These days, if you don’t know what Bilderberg is, you look out of touch. If you chuckle it off, and say it’s just an over-70s golf weekend, you sound ill-informed. If you think it’s a “conspiracy” you need to flick back a few pages in the dictionary. The word you’re looking for is “conference”.
A four-day conference held in secret, with a €10m security budget, run by David Rockefeller, Henry Kissinger and the Queen of the Netherlands. Nothing weird about that. Nothing to see here. Move along. What undoubtedly was weird about Bilderberg 2010 is that Kissinger chose to hold it in Spain. He’s not exactly on Spain’s Christmas card list.
“If he was here now, if Henry Kissinger was here, I was arrest him, and it would be” – and here the police officer noosed his fingers around his throat, and delivered the universal sound of a wrung neck – “it would be kkkkkrrrchkk”.
The policeman didn’t seem to see the absurdity of the situation. He was a Spanish policeman who’d just spent four days standing outside a Spanish hotel, protecting a man wanted for questioning in Spain about war crimes. People were getting arrested for trying to take photographs of someone who should have been getting arrested. Some comfort: at least we got the photos. (Well done Quierosaber, it was worth the dehydration cramps).
It’s an odd thing. George Osborne goes four times in a row to Kissinger’s long and lavish conference, no one raises an eyebrow. But if he so much as popped his head into Broadmoor for Peter Sutcliffe’s birthday party, there’d be an outcry. I don’t get it.
Another thing I don’t get: the consensus that Bilderberg is supposed to form and its relationship to all our welfares. But that discussion is for another time – perhaps sooner rather than later. For now, it’s just incredible that we can talk about Bilderberg at all: we can start addressing its agenda (as published on its website). We can examine its role in the formation of public policy.
These are questions for serious people: the spectrum of political debate must expand to fit the facts. Morons will still twirp out their “tin hat” halfwitticisms, but they sound oddly dated.
